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Raid of Pakistani religious fanatics on UK – Analysis Kharji vs. Rafzi

By: Earthman, International Professor.

It was very strange by viewing visit of radical Mullahs and Pirs to UK, where at least 300 Mullahs are busy day and night since last three weeks with the patronage of foreign intelligence agencies and ISI, who have arranged their visit to UK, and reports of meetings in different cities, have been reported by media.  Which agency and hidden hands have provided unlimited funds to those Moulvies is no secret, which are not more than a beggar in Pakistan and survive on petit crimes of plundering superstitious public or charities. Astonishingly British Govt. has allowed them to sow seeds of hate among local peoples, after sheltering terrorists mafia of MQM at London, allowing fascist Mush to reside, who also provides protection to properties and businesses of Rahman Malik and Zardari mafia that were purchased from stolen monies of poor peoples of Pakistan, and new gang of mischievous and turbulent Mullahs has been allowed to divide Muslim community at UK and spread venom of hate.

According to history at the times of Prophet Loot, his nation was involved in homo type activities on wide scale. God sent two angels in the shape of human to his nation for testing their limits of liberalism. Prior to molestation to strangers, liberals of that period who cared a lot to human rights, went to seek decree from their highest priest, who happily issued a decree that sodomy is according to charter of human rights. That priest is known as Saddomy in history books. So all above are Saddomy Mullahs of this time.

Major motive behind putting finger in dirt of sectarianism is based on some statements of above Mullahs published in press, on other hand statements of some politicians during TV talk shows, and continuous propaganda in daily papers which requires clarifications. Particularly propaganda by Fauzia Wahab in Capital Talk TV program that current fight between army and Taliban is War of Saffain, to describe her imaginative scenario, she has posed Zardari as Hazrat Ali and Taliban have been mentioned as Kharjis (God forbid). And a statement has been published in Daily Jang this week with reference to joint statement of Saddomy Mullahs like Tahir ul Qadri group, Imam Husain council (famous gay and lesbian society) under the chairmanship of Federal Minister of religious affairs Hamid Saeed Kazmi from the dateline of London, who have also declared current invasion of Pakistan army on FATA and Swat areas as Kharji Vs Rafzi war. To analyze their statements Taliban and Pushtoon are Kharji, whereas Zardari, Kiyani and Gaillani gang is Rafzi.

Mr. Hamid Mir’s may have above faith, which is his personal matter but his out of way sympathies with above Mullahs and Zardari are no more secret, who never clarified or edited poisonous sectarian material from his programs. There are many other instances in his program where he sides with such peoples. For example in a program of July 01, he harshly interrupted Munir Orakzai thrice when he was explaining that Sunnis and so called Taliban are not involved in sectarianism, whereas Iranians are involved with locals in the unrest of Kurram agency. Moreover statement of State Minister of Info, Samsam Hussain Bokhari in the same program should have clarified, when he said that there is no Sunni who did not respect Ahle e Bait; why he did not mention that fundamentals of Shia faith revolves around bashing Sahaba Karam that is the main cause of sectarianism. Mr. Hamid Mir either should not allow such kind of wordings or he must clarify such kind of statements before the closing of program, if at all he is not capable to handle poisonous statements which hurt sentiments of large population, it is better he may stick to his job of bashing Taliban and pleasing Zardari, instead allowing use of religious terms. Even though in a column he pleaded M H Isfahani and wrongfully declared him Ismaili, where as Frahnaz Ispahani and Husain Haqani both is Shia but not Ismailia. I think he did not have a time to read poisonous articles of Zafar Hilali published by his own Jang Group.

In others Haroon Rashid, Aamir Liaqat Husain, Sana Bucha, Farhat Taj Andersen, Ayaz Amir, Naseem Zehra, Zafar Hilaly, Khurshid Khan, Hasan Askari Rizvi, Najam Sethi and Salman Taseer group, Dunya TV, Samaa TV and Dawn group are involved in justifying it as a sectarian war. Unfortunately media propaganda on sectarian grounds is one sided, and the peoples who are under victimization of media have no source to answer such kind of misinformation, it means a large portion of society is deliberately being pushed to wall, result of unlimited oppression always brings revenge and anger. Is there any need to ask causes and motives of terrorism? Media and army both are equally responsible for generating hate in the society. Entire bloodshed and displacement of Pakistani’s in FATA and Swat areas is clearly mischievousness of media and army, where as in case of murder and massacre of students of Jamia Hafsa, both were responsible as well. Politicians are like greedy cats, who try to throw dust in the eyes of army and media, for personal gains and by hook by crook making money. 

Battle of Saffain, Kharji and Rafzi - a brief historical view:

The group of slaughterers which assassinated Hazrat Usman, the third Muslim Caliph and son in law of Muhammed Rasool Allah joined ranks of Hazrat Ali. Muslim world was upset and grieved on his cold blooded killing and solicited for punishment to murderers, unfortunately assassins took refuge at Kufa (Iraq) which was declared as capitol by Hazrat Ali after becoming fourth Muslim Caliph, abandoning Medina Munawara as a capitol, as a result of which by not bringing to justice to known assassins, War of Camel (Jang e Jummal) took place.

Assassins of Hazrat Usman joined the forces of Hazrat Ali in the war against Hazrat Ayesha who raised the flag for seeking justice of the murder in 656 AD. At least 11000 Muslims were killed in War of Jummel. In the same war Hazrat Talha and Hazrat Zubair (Ashra Mubashra was also among killed fighting against Hazrat Ali).

Battle of Saffain was fought between Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Amir Muawia in 657 AD, main reason of fight was handing over of assassins of Hazrat Usman. Thousands of Muslims were killed; finally both agreed to take decision in the light of Quran teachings. Agreement was signed on 37 AH. It is known as Agreement of Tehkeem, and Hazrat Abu Musa Ashari represented Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Amro bin Ulas represented Hazrat Amir Muawia. Anybody wants to read true version without wrap of sacredness, so that must see original source of history.

Hard core companions of Hazrat Ali asked him to take action according to Quran, as decided in the agreement of Tehkeem, but Hazrat Ali was reluctant to take any action; those left the forces of Hazrat Ali and turned against him. The reason for giving name Khawarij was that historically those left Kufa, and in Arabic Kharij mean going out, and those left Kufa, so Khawarij name was given locally, mean gone out of Kufa.  Khawarij were against Caliphate of Hazrat Ali, and those were against Hazrat Amir Muawia as well.

First battle between Hazrat Ali and Khawarij was fought at Neherwan in 685 AD. Kahawarij decided to assassinate Hazrat Amir Muawia, Hazrat Amr bin Alas and Hazrat Ali. In an attack Hazrat Ali was killed and Hazrat Amir Muawia was hurt badly in separate attempts in 660 AD. Khawarij continued their struggle against Caliphate of Hazrat Amir Muawia but those have been rising and dispersing.  Those later conquered Kirman, Faras and other Eastern provinces. Finally Hujaj bin Yousuf controlled them after great struggle. Kharji rising at different times weakened the Ommiad Caliphate, and let Abbasid to regain control of Caliphate. Finally Abbasid controlled their armed struggle and those remained as a sect in Islam. According to their faith only Hazrat Abubakar and Hazrat Umar were true Caliph of Islam. Those sided with Hazrat Ali for a long time but blamed him that he has violated Quran teachings, particularly in case he was true Caliph then his opponents were not on true path, so why he decided to shake hand with them.

In the whole above storey where have you doubt that Zardari fits as Hazrat Ali and Taliban are working as Kharjis? There is no comparison, and it is an offense to even intent to think about such assessment. On other hand Kharjis were true orthodox Muslims; their political believes did not allow anyone at that time to issue a decree against them. There are so many other instances in Islamic history when peoples politically differed, battles among Muslims is part of history. Shame on Fauzia Wahab, and Tahir ul Qadri group which termed Taliban as Kharji at a Conference at London, organized by Imam Husain Council and Minister of religious affairs. Refer Jang London and Jang Karachi of July 03 to 05.

In the same history books the peoples who are against Caliphate of Hazrat Abubakar and Hazrat Umar are called Rafzi. The Ghali Shia, Laghia Shia who curses on Sahaba Karam and Tafzeeli also falls in same category. It means Tahir ul Qadri, Hamid Saeed Kazmi, Sunni TehreeK, all Pirs and Sahabzadas are Rafzi. There is no doubt that religiously Zardari and Gaillani both are Rafzi. It is a fact that in second most sacred book after Quran, Imam Bokhari has not quoted any Rafzi narration that is why it is called Sahih by true Sunni order. He was so careful that even he did not consider a single narration of Hazrat Jafer Sadiq (Shia Imam).

There are so many bomb shells hidden in the same history books which could ruin sacredness of many Gods, the peoples who are busy in spreading venom of sectarianism under the umbrella of Rafziat or Tafziliat by declaring fellow Pakistanis as Wahabi or Taliban and active in indirectly labeling and bashing sacred personalities could have become crazy by looking into mirror of history. History is very cruel and it does not care sacredness of anyone. So Sufi’s have created their own order of narration parallel to Bokhari, where as some peoples who narrates in Sufi books are imaginary and does not exists. Illiterate Mullahs by finding no academic shelter later tried to drag some scholars and labeled them Sufi in their favor, where as none of them was Malang, Moulai, drugs addict, alcoholic, monk, absorbed, pedophile, and hermit or had the capacity to possess any good or evil spirit; those were ordinary humans but classical scholars, practically demonstrated the true path by obeying teachings of God and his messenger, a few claimed to be Sufi but there is no connection between academic Sufis and current professional thugs including Gaillani, Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Pagara Mafia and other Makhdooms and Pirs, who are simple merchants and busy in selling name of those academics.  

Today’s Mullahs and Sufis are involved in sucking money by telling miracles of self created saints, their self created Gods  according to them have the power to give sons or daughters to peoples, arrange rain and stop earth quakes, which is a propaganda to earn money, it is a profession not any kind of religion. Real God is immortal; humans are helpless in front of his powers, which run machinery of this entire world. So those who worship self created Gods other than real God are now crying for safety and security of their Gods, it is not laughing that police and army is protecting their Gods, whereas their Gods are so helpless that unable to secure themselves.  It does not mean that the peoples who are blowing graves are doing good service. It is work of ISI and agencies to create gulf of hate among different factions of society. We have no concern that anybody worship graves, Pirs or saints, it is their personal faith. But throwing stones by sitting in a glass room is entirely foolishness.

What is Rafziat?

No one in entire Muslim population is ready to own word Rafzi or Rafziat; historically it is a Shia label. And it contains same type of bullying significance, which word Wahabi has. There is no one who claims to be Wahabi. However some sects in Islamic history are remembered by their founders. Ismailia is called Agha Khani, Brelvis are called Raza Khani, and Ahmadis are called Mirzayees and so on.

Rafziat is generally a kind of mentality, not religion; it has same insinuation which peoples find in word Jew Vs Zion. Rafzi believes on monarchy, kingdom, heirs of throne, and racial discrimination. It has borrowed many sacred customs from Judaism. In their opinion Caliph was King of monarchy and his sons and daughters were heirs of throne, as such called them prince and princess. And those try to proof that Quran was mistakenly brought to prophet. Moreover their self created heirs of monarchy are innocent of any sin (Masoom). Later Rafzi divided in some categories like Alawites and Druze which mostly reside at Iraq, Lebanon and Syria, Ismailia who failed to maintain any government in any country except Iran, Egypt and Multan for some period. After fall of their kingdoms Ismailia got mixed with local population masked under Sufism, their minority was unable to convert large populations to Shia faith, so those inducted doctrine of Tafzeeliat, a theory under which according to them prophet handed over some secrets to Hazrat Ali, which are exclusively transferable to Sufi saints only.

Majority of descendents of those Ismailia Sufis are today Makhdooms and Pirzadas in Indo-Pakistan. Those stress to be Sunni, but with extinction that Hazrat Ali was most superior in Islam. In some cases his authority is shown more than Prophet or God. Generally those say Ali ka pehla number (Ali is number one). In southern Punjab and lower Sindh most are descendents or followers of Ismailia. True religious Shia did not embrace them because those preach mixture of religion and believes in monkhood and shrine culture, whereas Shia (read as Athna Ashari Shia) did not believe on monkhood. 

During the period another groups of Sufis emerged who claimed to be followers of Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jailani (1166 AD). He was a respectable scholar of the time and belonged to Hanbli school of Fiqh, who wrote some anti-Shia books as well. His some of the followers try to implant him as God. He never claimed to be descendent of Hazrat Ali. His followers created Qadri Sufi order. A large number of Hanafis of Indo-Pakistan belongs to Qadri Sufi order including Deobandi and Brelvi.

Some followers of Sh: Abdul Qadir Jailani, who is also known as Pir of eleventh day cross the limits in canonization; there is a famous poem which his followers recite in religious gatherings, it is very long but title is as under:

Eik Tu Qadir (On one side you Abdul Qadir Jailani) Eik Au Qadir (On other side God, Qadir name of Allah)

Au Taur Devey (God break something) Au Jaur Devey (Abdul Qadir has the power to mend broken by God). It reflects superiority of Hazrat Abdul Qadir over God.

Impact of Rafziat on today’s Pakistan:

Current entire government claims to be Shia, there is a great difference in between genuine Shia and political Shia. If you may see statements of Allama Sajid Naqvi who is the top cleric of Shia in Pakistan, puzzle of political Shia would be solved. He is aware of satanic games of imperialists and he never pleaded political Shias and so called Shia crescent which is a spider web for Shia, against Iran and its goal is support to Zionism. Zionist lobby with in Muslims including Zardari, Gaillani, Kiyani, Karazai and Noori Al Maliki etc are guards of neo-Imperialism, this is the only sect in Pakistan who daringly protest occupation of Quds and side with Sunni Hamas. Shia groups who are in support of imperialists are corrupt, either Najam Sethi, Jugnu Mohsin, Abida Hussain, Altaf Hussain, Zradari, kiyani, Hussain Haqqani or Farahnaz Isfahani who claims to be Shia or Iranian have no courage to even pray in any Shia mosque. Those only want to occupy resources with the patronage of imperialists. I think after departure of neo-cons, the drama of Shia crescent would also flop soon.

Illiterate Sufi in Pakistan:

First ever Sufis who arrived in Indo-Pakistan were Hazrat Data Gang Bakhsh (1072 AD), Khawaja Moeen ud Din Chishti (1234 AD), Fareed ud Din Shakar Gang (1265 AD), and Ahmad Sarhindi (1624 AD). Early four hundred years after emerge of Islam there was no name of Sufism in Indo-Pak. However early Muslims who landed at India and constructed a mosque in 24 AH (644 AD) and still there are hundred thousand Muslims in Kerala and Malabar areas. During the period Muslims reached Bait ul Maqdas (637 AD), Azerbaijan, Cyprus, North Africa, Iran (648-653 AD), Kabul (664 AD), Sindh and Andalusia (711 AD), China and Kashghar (715 AD), so even up till that time no Sufi was even born.

First persons who were named to be Sufi were Jabir Ibn Hayan by the end of 8th century and other was Abu Hashim, both were Shia. In fact those abandoned eating meat and became vegetarian, and peoples named them Sufi. The last person of their order was Abdu Sufi who died in 825 AD. Their centre was Kufa, and monks, renounces and hermits adopted the title of Sufi in Iraq, later in other areas same mentality peoples adopted title of Sufi. It is said that first person who try to teach Sufism was Zulnoon Misri who died in 245 AH. It does not mean that it was widely known philosophy in Islamic world.

To create some kind of superiority over teachings of Prophet, it was forced to be divided in classifications of apparent (Zahiri) and hidden (Batni). So hidden teachings are controlled and sole property of Sufi Pirs that are non transferable to public. There are many stories in Sufi books about penetration of God in human body, unbelievable miracles, and dreams etc.

Structure of Ahmadi faith of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani is solely based on dreams, same as Tahir ul Qadri usually made dramas about his dreams. His one cassette was well publicized.

History of Indo-Pak is witness that as many benefits so called worshippers of graves and Pirs collected no other community can imagine. Due to feudal mentality and being graves a permanent source of income those always sided with rulers, during British rule those were faithful servants and leading Pirs, Makhdooms, Sahibzadas and Pirzadas were seen singing prosperity of King George and Queen Victoria. Their addresses in front of viceroys are available in history books. None of them follows Sufi teachings and way of life of Sufi Saints. There are four kinds of Sufi by color of turbans, saffron who are near to Hindu mysticism, green who are near to Catholicism, Majoos or Shia philosophy of mysticism. Maroon color of turbans is an invention of Sunni Tehreek. Common religious persons or culturally peoples wear Black and white turban. Benazir was most superstitious woman and used to go to Pir Dhanka, whose is famous for flossing and flogging, she was his regular customer.

Sufism is an Industry for earning money and adopted by professionals and anti-religious zealots. Today meaning of Sufism introduced by Mush and Zardari is clearly protection of prostitution, legalizing pedophiles, use of drugs, theatre strip dances, and on the name of religion induction of social evils in the society.

List of Mullahs and Pirs currently spreading venom of sectarianism in UK:

Almost 300-400 Mullah have reached UK on Govt. expenses. So local papers are full with their statements, their meetings with top officials and politicians are not hidden. And every Mullah is begging for money to fight crusade. Following is a list of top Mullahs which are enjoying five star facilities and air travels, wide media coverage with the backing and financing of foreign intelligence agencies:

Organizations: Sunni conference at Masjid Ghamkol, Birmingham. Sunni Hurriat Council, Imamia Council Europe, Imam Husain Council, Pakistan Mushaikh Council, Minhaj ul Quran and so many paper organizations funded by crusaders.

Top Mullahs: Mazhar Saeed Kazmi Minister of Religious affairs, Molvi Tahir ul Qadri of Minhaj ul Quran, Pir Naqeeb ur Rahman, Pir Nirian Allaud din Saduki,, Syed Riaz Husain Shah of Rawalpindi,, Pir Sultan Bahoo Fiaz ul Hasan Qadri, Shah Auns Noorani of JUP Noorani group, Pir Dhangri Habib ur Rahman Mehboobi, Pir Fayaz ul Hasan Qadri, Allama Sadiq Qureshi (Tahiri Qadri group), Rubab Mehdi of Imam Husain Council (known gay and lesbian organization).  (Moulvi)Abdullah Sultan, Rifaqat Adeel, Mohammed Ramzan reza, Inaam ul Haq Shah Ziayi, Saeed Ahmad Asaad, Yaqoob ul Hasni, Akbar Hazarvi, Shahid Reza Nayeemi, Iqbal Chishti, Rasool Bakhsh Saeedi, Qari Saeed Ghani, Nazeer Mehervi, Haneef Hasni London, Shaffi Al Hashmi, Sajid Qadri, Manzoor Rabbani, Talib Hussain mujadadi, Hafeez ur Rahman Ghazzali, Riaz H Shah, Abdul Rauf mustafai, Mohammed Amjad, Khurshid Alam Sabri, Murid Husain Naqvi, Imran Shah, Zulfiqar Musa, Ghulam Rabbani Afghani, Rasool Bakhsh Saeedi, Shahid Reza Nayemi, Qazi Abdul Aziz Chishti, Sahibzada Anwar ul Haq, , Pir Munawar Hussain Jamaati, Yar Muhammed Qadri, Zafarullah Shah, Bostan Qadri, Niaz Ahmad of Ghamkol, Sahibzada Saeed Makki, Rasool Bakhsh Saeedi, Ramzan Reza Sultani, , , Allama samiullah, Ayatullah Ghadeeri, Zainab Ahmadi, Aasim Shabir, Agha Shamsi, Haji Abdul Aziz.

Rahman Malik and Altaf Husain of MQM are supervising all events.

 Reply:   rubbish
Replied by(ccie) Replied on (23/Aug/2009)

as i said before your writings are not worth a read.You can call me Ghazanfar Mehdi or the Queen of Egypt ,makes no difference to me.

You are nothing but an attention seeker wishing people visit your site.Unfortunately that does not happen .

Hopefully you have been locked away in Ramdhan.
Peace
 
 Reply:   Why you did not write with your real name
Replied by(Ghulam_Rasool) Replied on (27/Jul/2009)

I ma sure you are Ghazanfar Mahdi, because he uses such type of tactics.
You have no answer to any historical facts which shows your lack of knowledge and you are wasting time in propaganda. Your wordings match agencies language.

 
 Reply:   Me with lies?
Replied by(ccie) Replied on (24/Jul/2009)
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Have no reason to tell lies.
Showed support for Army.True !

But no useless debates on Rafdhis and Kharjites took place-can't recall them.Btw your definitions of Rafdhis and kharjites are self created and fairly homenmade as well.

Oh so now u've become a patriot?Someone who supports the people who are fighting our Army and are anti-state?

The extremists if not terrorists who bombed our cadets and keep attacking the police?

Those who tried to create a state within a state?Those who considered sharafat as a weakness.?
Nobody is happy with the bloodshed in swat or afghanistan .But our Army was forced into this.They had no choice.

If someone mocks at our Army, and kills our soldiers you expect us to sit back and relax?.We support our Army .Our duas are with them.

And this is the statement you find so hard to digest so you twist and turn it into a religious debate.
These etremists who are fighting the army are pro Pakistan or even pro Islam??!!

Even if the whole world attacked Muslims they wouldn't do the damage these people have done.Tve given Muslims a bad name and are nothing but hate mongers .

A part of me  feels sorry for them as these are the less fortunate people who got brainwashed by Mullahs, then against russia and are now being decomposed .Innocent tiny fingers purchased from starving parents..but only to convert them into human bombs...

crime being poverty...

tradegy beyong doubt ...but while you can have empathy ...under no circumstances can these people be defined as heroes .They deserve sympathy at most but simply cannot demand respect!

 

And what do u mean by seeds of hate grown by conference?Which fiqh did the conference go against?Which Islamic school of thought supports their barbaric activities?which Islamic group has ownedthem?

Or is that group in Taqaya ,huh?so much so for taqaya

And re that conference , it was intrafaith and interfaith.There were a number of jews and christians as well and everyone spoke of peace and sectarian harmony!

christian priests paid rich tributes to Imam Ali(as)...but that is what you find so difficult to digest..just can't bear the name of Imam Ali being taken..can't bear anyone building bridges between the West and East.

check how low one can get...each time i write , u throw filth on one person or the other as if you have no fear of the day of judgment..all these people do not even know what you are writing hence cannot even defend themselves..some will not even bother -but you WILL be asked on the day of judgement for your insensitive and irresponsible attempts of character assasinations..
Minhaj arranges the biggest milad in the entire country which is commendable.They are all peace loving people and have a lot of following in western countries as well.

Pooya is not even a religious leader-he is a politician and he is not an iranian.the iranian lady who got mentioned was a school teacher not the irani envoy.You are sitting in london where diverse communities intermingle with each other at bigger banners.


Imam HussainCouncil needs no introduction.It's the biggest platform for sectarian harmony and community cohesion....Heads of States have attended their seminars numerous times..they have had attendance from Americans, Egyptians, saudis ,Iranis...just name it!
Pir Naqeeb is so spiritual with his duas .and has lots of following both in uk and pakistan
list continues..
do not know as to why i bother writing ..must find myself a useful hobby away from this utterly useless correspondence. All I can say is fear Allah with your irresponsible remarks.

 

and if u are so confident about what you write then why dont you write with your real name i.e Shahid Qureshi?


 
 Reply:   You are telling a lie
Replied by(International_Professor) Replied on (20/Jul/2009)
Check and find references on other sides as well

Why you are telling a lie, as a quick reference read following references. Whether you were not there or trying to hide sectarian abhorrence in your heart, Taqqia.

It was reported at many other places, Pakistanis are feeling since long that Iranians are involved in their affairs. On the name of Hazrat Ali it was a political conference to back American war of terror. Political Shia is busy since long to destabilize Islamic world, Shia Crescent was invention of an Iranian. I have mentioned in detail a few points in this regard in my article.

There are many other references which I have mentioned in my article. Tahir ul Qadri is being financed by Iranians, Agha Murtaza pooya and some women in her Tehreek e Minhaj ul Quran are Iranian. While Syrian Druze is also financing him, watch lot of Syrians in her meetings along with Iranians. Iranian lady whom you mentioned was there when such peoples were declaring Kharji issue.

I have no need to clarify you about Imam Husain Council, Ghazanfar mahdi and Rubab Mahdi. No real Shia cleric ever participated in his conferences except a few Tafzeeli Brelvi Moulvis. His notoriety is not able to be referenced at this stage.

Presence of CIA and ISI financed Mullah Minister of religious affairs Hamid Saeed Kazmi is clear indication who is behind in financing and organization of that conference. Try to think when same peoples would be in side with imperialists when Iran would be under invasion, then same peoples would call Iranian as Rafzi.

Now you search your own what you're that so called religious conference spread the seeds of hate.

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2009-daily/05-07-2009/euro.htm

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2009-daily/04-07-2009/euro.htm

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2009-daily/02-07-2009/euro.htm

 


 
 Reply:   more slandering.Fear Allah!
Replied by(ccie) Replied on (20/Jul/2009)

Coming from a person whose only access to important conferences is through newpapers or press releases.You don't get invited dude

The psycho category who draws red circles around people before shooting em down

We don't recall any such statement being made.Conference was on Imam Ali(AS) not on Rafdhis and kharjites.No such debate took place.I was there as a speaker.

If someone like you has that much of a problem with Imam Hussain Council , that goes to show nothing but the success of the Council, and success of the people behind it.

It's not just Iran...an Egyptian envoy has written an entire book on the seminars of Imam Hussain Council...which we have read and is available.I can send it to you if you give me your postal address.They have very good terms with Al Azhar as well..

We have even seen the Saudi envoy's wife in their seminars....the American as well (on interfaith) ... they can make diverse groups sit together...which is great


Anyways , give me a list of the Councils you recommend.Who knows i might consider joining.Are they in swator Afhanistan

and no more slandering and filth ..this is getting way too boring ....

 
 Reply:   I don't know which Iranian woman you are talking about
Replied by(International_Professor) Replied on (18/Jul/2009)
refer their statemnts in newspapers

I don't know which Iranian woman you are talking about, and what she is doing at Pakistan under banner of Imam Husain Council. What is her purpose to join a notorious society?  Its patron and top organizer is Ghazanfar Mahdi, whose character whole Islamabad knows. It was surprising that a well educated and good character woman you have mentioned who has joined Ghazanfar Mahdi.

Major companions of Ghazanfar Mahdi are known pedophiles, for your info one name is enough for you to investigate, Pir Manki (not original current Pir but his brother) and his activities when he was top post of Imam Husain Council. Don't be fooled with the name of Imam Husain, it is business of Ghazanfar Mahdi to use sacred names to dodge good peoples, who participate and left the council when they know facts.

Let me inform you that how Ghazanfar Mahdi traps peoples, among chair of this organization see names: Nusrat Bhutto, Hakim Ali Zardari, Begum Shafiqa Zia ul Haq (to whom Ghazanfar Mahdi made the head of Bari Imam Committee). About two three days before the crash of Gen Zia, he was seen heading Imam Husain council.

There is another hidden organization which Ghazanfar Mahdi chairs, its name is Daira. The Iranian woman you mentioned has innocently joined notorious organization, neither Iranians publically issues such irresponsible statements about Rafziat and Kharjiat. Moreover Imam Husain Council did not have Islamic scholars; those hire peoples for the time being, my reference is based on leaders of Pakistani members of Imam Husain council, please refer newspapers of dates.  If you know that Iranian women to tell her notoriety of Ghazanfar Mahdi, and some things I cannot mention here. There are some worst evidences and examples. I did not mention anywhere reference to that Iranian woman, nor names tell that who is Iranian or non-Iranian.

By the way why an Iranian woman has joined a notorious Pakistani society, there are hundreds of religious societies why she did not join those Pakistani societies. Ghazanfar Mahdi patron of Imam Husain council is a notorious person that is why no known cleric or academic joins them. It is a political organization and a platform for Ghazanfar Mahdi and company to collect funds. I think it will satisfy you that my reference was not that Iranian woman; neither had I noticed that any Iranian Woman was among them. It is also a surprise that a good literary woman has been trapped by thugs for face saving.


 
 Reply:   Shame on you!
Replied by(ccie) Replied on (18/Jul/2009)

And you are following Allah by slandering people.Who is Zaynab Ahmadi?An Iranian national in her 20's and a member of Imam Hussain Council.She is a school teacher , not a mullah from Pakistan who is here at a Government expense.She teaches Quran to small children and you decide to put her in a lesbian /gay society?

Very good fearing you are!

Nobody would bother responding to this slum email.There is a level and akhlaq that desrves a response.

What you have done is clear cut abuse and defamaion of innocent people including Muslimahs.

How would you feel if someone was to write such stuff about your mother and sister?
Shame on you!
 
 Reply:   Dear CCIE, Instead of giving threats to writer, you should try to counter h
Replied by(webmaster) Replied on (18/Jul/2009)

Instead of giving threats to writer, you should try to counter his allegations. He is writing what he think/find as truth, if you think he is lier then you should respond to this allegations. This site is also not based in Pakistan so i don't think writing to this site will give him in legal consequences secondly this site is not generating any SMS/Emails, so that new law will not apply on it as well. Rest Assure there is one Allah sitting upside and he is the one, who has absolute power.
 
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Replied by(ccie) Replied on (17/Jul/2009)

This article is full of lies and deceptions. This article may indeed result in legal action. As the author is not based in the US, his freedom of abuse may be short lived.
 
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