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A DISCUSSION: DO THE MUSLIMS IN AMERICA NEED NO SHARIAH AS THEY ARE GETTING GOOD JUSTICE IN THE WEST?
From: Hussain Khan, Tokyo [mailto:hussain@ nifty.com]
Subject: RE: Muslims in America; NOT to dominate or impose Sharia Laws
Mike,
Shariah is not divine but it is based on divine revelations of Allah and the teachings of our Prophet (pbuh) in the form of Quran and Ahadith.
Maybe majority of American Muslims do not want it. It is a matter of great regret that despite calling themselves Muslims, they do not want it. We have to continue Dawah and Tableegh among them until the time, they start desiring it. Man-made laws of the West may be providing good justice. But they cannot supersede laws of Allah in providing real justice.
To dispel fears of non-Muslims regarding Shariah in America, it is sufficient to tell them that it is not for them. It is a matter confined to Muslims only. There is no need to recommend to the Muslims in the West to remain happy and satisfied with whatever justice they are getting there, saying as in your article, that the laws providing justice in the West are quite good. Some participants of this discussion are supporting you that the laws for justice in the West are much better than many un-Islamic laws in Muslim countries of today dominated and governed by secular Muslim rulers.
Indian Muslims, despite a minority in India, want Shariah and are trying to practice it through Personal Law as approved by the Indian government.
We made Pakistan for it. There was no need of a separate country to practice personal Sharia of 2nd type, as you define it.
I have added a few more names in this mailing list and request them to throw more light on this problem that should the Muslims in the West remain satisfied with the justice of their local laws? Will this situation absolve them from the obligation of Shariah of the 1st type, as defined by you. I hope some of them living in America as pious Muslims and good scholars of Islam will throw better light on this problem.
If you can read Urdu, I will again suggest you to go through my articles referred in my previous mail for a better understanding of each other’s point of view. For the newcomers, who would like to participate in this discussion, I would request them to first read your original article on my web site by clicking on: http://www.muslimth inktank.info/ mikeghous1. pdf
Best regards,
Hussain Khan, Tokyo
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From: MikeGhouse@aol. com [mailto:MikeGhouse@ aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:04 PM
To: hussain@nifty. com; zina.khan@yahoo. com; ank2000pk@yahoo. com; hasniessa@yahoo. com
Cc: sak555@yahoo. com; lalhgehi@yahoo. com; uma@umanet.org; mameenk786@yahoo. ca; ghulammuhammed3@ gmail.com
Subject: Re: Muslims in America; NOT to dominate or impose Sharia Laws
The problem is with the hardliners who have nothing productive to do than keep issuing Fatwas, unfortunately, and shamelessly they are the ones who are running the show, it is changing though and Insha Allah, the world in on a new trajectory of co-existence now, that existed during the times of the Prophet.
Sharia is not divine, and it is not God's words either. Sharia is a compilation and personal interpretations of men to suit that time in the history. However to their credit, they did their best to bring the idea of justice, the central tenet of Islam to the public forum.
Our civic laws serve justice to people of diverse backgrounds as well as Muslims. Then why do we need Sharia? We have lived in America without it and if given a choice through a private ballot, we may not even get 600 votes out of 6 Million Muslims favoring it. (1/10th of 1% ) to be fair, the ballot should go to every man and woman including the ones who pray five times a day. There are two types of Sharia - one that is imposed on individuals for adherence, which is contrary to the freewill of Islam and the other one is for personal consumption - how do pray, fast, pay zakat or perform Hajj. The 2nd form of Sharia is in practice and will continue to exist on a personal level and we don't need the first one... as our system of laws are just fine to handle it.
In a message dated 6/3/2009 10:32:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hussain@nifty. com writes:
In this discussion, we must not forget that Shariah is not for non-Muslims. In India, Muslims are allowed Shariah as a Personal Law. Americans have nothing to fear from Shariah. Even if the majority of Americans adopt Islam through Dawah and Tableegh, Shariah will be applicable to only those who, by their own choice, have adopted Islam willingly. In Islamic history, non-Muslims living in Muslim-majority or Muslim-ruled countries have enjoyed all their freedoms. Sharia has not been imposed upon them by Muslim governments. Rather they have enjoyed the justice of Sharia ruling in their favor against Muslim perpetrators, if there were any.
In this connection, please have a look on one of my articles in Urdu published in the monthly Tarjuman-ul- Quran, Special Issue on Maulana Maudoodi , uploaded as here: http://www.muslimth inktank.info/ nifazeshariat. htm
I refer to one more article which will be available by clicking below. It was published in Jasarat, Karachi and some Japanese net Urdu newspapers. In this I have given reference of an American Harvard Law Prof. Feldman’s book and Magazine article in New York times about Sharia.
http://pakjapannews .com/Coloumn- Judges-HussainKh an-13-Apr- 2009.php
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It is a logical conclusion ! how can one impose his or her own ideology on their hosts?
--- On Wed, 6/3/09, MikeGhouse@aol. com <MikeGhouse@aol. com> wrote:
From: MikeGhouse@aol. com <MikeGhouse@aol. com>
Subject: Re: Muslims in America; NOT to dominate or impose Sharia Laws
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 10:54 PM
You got that right!
Mike
In a message dated 6/3/2009 4:23:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, zina.khan@yahoo. com writes:
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Then stay with the law of the land if it serves you well....why impose on them living with them?...I think justice is enjoyed by Muslims more in western countries than they can ever expect to enjoy in their own countries... ..that is why so many have left and come to western countries... .
--- On Wed, 6/3/09, MikeGhouse@aol. com <MikeGhouse@aol. com> wrote:
From: MikeGhouse@aol. com <MikeGhouse@aol. com>
Subject: Re: Muslims in America; NOT to dominate or impose Sharia Laws
The intent of the Sharia laws was serving justice, in the United States we have the laws that are just and work for our society. There is no need for Sharia Laws, as we have not needed it in the last century or so
Mike
In a message dated 6/3/2009 12:07:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, zina.khan@yahoo. com writes:
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So they are Americans who also con other Americans into believing that some Americans are dangerous ..right? just the way it happens on the other side of the fissure where they kill each other for whatever reason they can find.....how many Muslims live in US ? they are Americans... .so there is divide all the way...and we just can't get over the rhetoric also which aggravates.. ..now which version of the Sharia do the Americans wish to bring into play? or is it uniform across the globe?
--- On Wed, 6/3/09, MikeGhouse@aol. com <MikeGhouse@aol. com> wrote:
From: MikeGhouse@aol. com <MikeGhouse@aol. com>
Subject: Muslims in America; NOT to dominate or impose Sharia Laws
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 4:15 AM
Muslims are in America to live their American dream, and NOT to dominate or impose Sharia Laws.
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$5000 REWARD
The Neocons* are fabricating and propagating the idea that Muslims are invading America to dominate and impose Sharia Laws without any substantiation. Cashing in on fears is Neocons modus operandi. They know how to scare the devil out of those few self proclaimed conservative Americans, and get them to open their check books, and the poor suckers pay the ransom.
There are several websites out there, where they write a frightening article followed by requests for donations, or they will show a frightening documentary as a “fact” and watch and laugh at the men who crap in their pants and open their check books in a hurry to these ‘ugly’ defenders of their traditions. I wish, they spend half their time in promoting goodwill, and I pray that the scared ones don’t open the check books to these fear mongers who will mess up the world further.
Muslims are a fabric of America and are a part of the Moderate Majority of Americans of every hue, they are busy in participating and contributing towards nation building, and living the American dream.
No Muslim has any ambitions of making Islam a dominant religion or imposing Sharia Laws in the United States. A few individual creeps may say that for a few claps, but for every creep who runs his mouth with a Muslim label, you will find a lot more of them with other faith labels. The good news is that there are thousands of Muslims out there who will speak out against such non-sense and I am one.
Islam is not about domination; it is about mitigating conflicts and nurturing goodwill, and it is about working for just societies. If we find men who want to subvert peace in our societies, let’s lock them up as individuals. I guarantee you that you will find them in every faith.
The American Muslims have become aggressive and are not going to let any idiot jeopardize their chosen homeland with hate sermons in their mosques. They go to mosques to find peace, to pray and to appreciate the creator. We the Americans believe in one, many or no God, we need to watch every pulpit that allows delivery of hate sermons, it is our individual responsibility to speak up and perhaps be bold enough to stop it.
Here is a challenge for you - If you find mosques that allow hate sermons delivered from their pulpits and DO NOT find a church, synagogue or a temple to match it, you can earn a reward of $5000.00. This challenge goes to Wall Street Journal and all those fear salesmen who have failed to substantiate their claims. We cannot accept bullshit, we need the truth.
Extremism is the combined enemy of peace and security; we are all in it together and need to find solutions. We cannot become extremists ourselves to rid of extremists. I cannot leave peacefully when people around me are not.
We all need to stand up for the general goodwill of the society. Please take a stand that Muslims in America are no different than any one of the 301 Million Americans. They do what every American does; live the American dream; living a life and contributing and participating in the well being of America. The false propaganda that Muslims are here to dominate or impose Sharia must be strongly condemned; there is no substantiation to that.
We owe it to ourselves and our kids to create a society of co-existence.
Mike Ghouse
Sounding off the voices of a majority of Muslims.
To be a Muslim is to be a peacemaker, one who constantly seeks to mitigate conflicts and nurtures goodwill for peaceful co-existence. God wants us to live in peace and harmony with his creation; life and mater. Indeed, that is the purpose of religion, any religion.
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When individual men murder, rape and rob others, is it our constitution that is faulty or is it reflective on all Americans or is it the American Religion? Baloney! Crimes are committed by individuals regardless of the homes they are raised in; the religious values they are given or race them belong to. Let’s place the blame where it belongs; the individuals, and bring justice instead of blaming the universe of that individual.
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Neocons are those Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and other extremists who make it their business to malign other groups for their gains.
Neocons are people who choose to wear a religious label but act and talk contrary to the very belief they claim to espouse. It is their way or no way. Their attitudes are shaped by the fear that their life is at risk if others exist, if they can, they will wipe every one off from the face of the earth who ever differs from them. They are intolerant and insecure group of men. They trust their Gun power but invoke God in vain, they do not want to dialogue, as they are afraid to lose. They are chaotic and desperate souls.
They believe God is on their side, and that God has given them the permission or at least they pose to the world that it is their God-given right to dominate, control, monopolize and influence the resources that God has created for the benefit of his creation. They want to have it all.
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The most important step in doing peace work is to distinguish between the following opposites:
Extreme Islamists V. Islam
Extreme Zionists V. Judaism
Extreme Evangelists v. Christianity. ..
Extreme Hindutva V. Hinduism
The second most important step is to identify the ugly men amongst us, every group has bad guys, and every faith has bad guys, acknowledging it takes us little closer to the reality. We should have the audacity to speak out our point to elicit a response of knowledge and understanding and not denial. We should stick and fight and not run away. | | |
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