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"Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong; they are the ones to attain felicity".
(surah Al-Imran,ayat-104)
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User Name: Noman
Full Name: Noman Zafar
User since: 1/Jan/2007
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I am biased against Musharraf and i hate him so much that you even cant imagine.
 
I will try to explain my anger with one example, tel me what you will do, if a person robbed some one and then started charity from some of the robbed amount. will you accept his charity?
tell me what if some one violates the law by saying this law is not correct and then impose new law?
Musharraf's story is the same, i am anti Musharraf from the day he couped, whether his act was right or wrong, he was legally not allowed to perform that action, because if we allow him or any one to take law in his/her hand then every one should be allowed to do so, and if every one is allowed to change the law according to his/her will, then you can easily understand what can happen.
So that is why i am biased against him, and what ever he did after wards first of all, i dont see.
 
Now lets try to create a table and see what wrongs and goods he did.
He defame Islam
He defame Pakistan
He defame Muslim/Pakistani heroes
He betrayed Mujahideen of Kashmir/Afghanistan
He aided a war on Afghanistan/Iraq.
Millions of Muslims died because of his indirect help.
in the return what he gave
Free media.... Media was allowed to do all wrongs and goods as long as he wanted or he liked....
Are we slave of him
Free Judiciary...As long as he wanted or liked....
Good Economy... Ah.... this is totally wrong... Pakistan's Economy is not at all booming... i can show you or can provide you many evidences that his actions are long terms and this economy wont survive of long, or even if for the sake of argument we accept that he really raised the economy then tell me why common man is living worse then what he was living earlier
 
Tell me will you prefer of life of prostitute who is earning well or a life of pious who is dying with hunger
 
I hate him because he thinks, he is god, he thinks he is the only man who has vision
he is the only man who can succeed
he is the only man who can lead
 
No Mr president, no one is indispensable
We as Pakistani survived even after Quaid
we as muslim survived even after holy prophet(PBUH).
we will survive without u as well.
 
If he really want to do some good for Pakistan then he should learn how to follow law, he should come through a way which every one has to follow.
Otherwise the lesson he is conveying to the nation is, Might is right, that is why in Pakistan every one is taking law in his/her hand.
 
Because even if you ask thief that are you right, he will justify his act.
Who is right and who is wrong, only law can tell us, but in case of Musharraf there is no law.
 
why?
 
This is even totally against the teachings of Islam as well, as in Islam no one is above law.
All men and women are equal.
   
And yes i am typical Pakistani and i want to be that way.
 Reply:   lolz do u know somethingscrip
Replied by(hamza1234) Replied on (26/Nov/2007)

noman i have started to enjoy your comments...they are quite amusing....
 
 Reply:   now you have clarified what u
Replied by(Noman) Replied on (26/Nov/2007)
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Again same answer, one wrong wont make other wrong right.
Till how long, we will use the same logic.
You are right, only time will decide that action taken are right or wrong, but Musharraf is the only ruler WHO privatized those institutes which were profitable and every one, i think including you, were amused by his decision.

I am in my 30's

I wish to be journalist like those two, you mentioned.

 
 Reply:   noman
Replied by(hamza1234) Replied on (25/Nov/2007)

dont really make me think that i am talking to second grade kids.....


man refernce of history are only there to prove he better i never asked what role you played i wonder how you make things up may be thats your gift keep it up i predict you will be journalist like hamid meer or shahid one day.



>>assets being sold this i hear about musharraf do you know we hanged the person who was nationalizing the >>assets now where were you then
I was not there in that time other wise i would have been resisted that time as well. may be next time you will ask me what role i played to stop the martyrdom of Hazrat Hussain r.a
talk with some senses please.


by this i meant at that time that was wrong and now this wrong i hope you get me.....yaar by teh way what your age ?

 
 Reply:   Hamza If you are in KSA please
Replied by(Noman) Replied on (24/Nov/2007)
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>>you seemed to be emotionally disturb i will reply in detail what good he has done to the country you overseas >>know nothing about people in Pakistan for instance i see more beggars here in jeddah KSA then in pakistan >>and yet you say prove and provide evidance about low living standards.
>>yeah one thing if living standards are going down then why every month 10000 cars are registered only in >>lahore. satisfied?????
 
This is first time, you are 100% right, i am really emotionally disturb, baggers in any country doesn't reflect economy f any county as there are baggers in America as well, no one will going to believe your this theory that living standards in Saudia are worse then Pakistan, and even if they are, i am not concerned with that, i just know one thing more then 80%people in my country are living below poor life.
Quite interestingly, all Musharraf regime think same, if there are cars, there are mobiles there are motor cycles it meas people are living very good life. According to your car theory, China is among est worse economy country as people their use cycles and Japan as well, where people use buses more then cars.
Can you kindly tell us how many of these 10000 cars are purchased on cash, people are buying them on loan, Musharraf and his regime himself was beggar and make all country beggar as well.
 
>>assets being sold this i hear about musharraf do you know we hanged the person who was nationalizing the >>assets now where were you then
I was not there in that time other wise i would have been resisted that time as well. may be next time you will ask me what role i played to stop the martyrdom of Hazrat Hussain r.a
talk with some senses please.
 
>>yeah musharaf killed muslims in qabaili area right but do you know bhutto used airforce against them and >>killed many but there was no media then and what musharraf did was very lil compared to all previous legal >>heroes of our nation.
If bhutto killed many, will this give right to Musharraf t kill many as well, again non sense and baseless theory
 
 
 

 
 Reply:   hmmmm;)//shyg
Replied by(hamza1234) Replied on (24/Nov/2007)

kindly refer to topic go musharaf go
 
 Reply:   he killed muslimsscript src=h
Replied by(hamza1234) Replied on (24/Nov/2007)

yeah musharaf killed muslims in qabaili area right but do you know bhutto used airforce against them and killed many but there was no media then and what musharraf did was very lil compared to all previous legal heroes of our nation.
 
 Reply:   to noman//shy
Replied by(hamza1234) Replied on (24/Nov/2007)

assets being sold this i hear about musharraf do you know we hanged the person who was nationalizing the assets now where were you then?
 
 Reply:   emotionally disturbed.script
Replied by(hamza1234) Replied on (24/Nov/2007)

you seemed to be emotionally disturb i will reply in detail what good he has done to the country you overseas know nothing about people in pakistan for instance i see more beggars here in jeddah KSA then in pakistan and yet you say prove and provide evidance about low living standards.
yeah one thing if living standards are going down then why every month 10000 cars are registered only in lahore. satisfied?????
 
 Reply:   awareness against emergency is
Replied by(Noman) Replied on (23/Nov/2007)

T hank you
but i dont think emergency issue is dead in Pakistan may be you are feeling this because of media black out.
Otherwise according to my observation, awareness against emergency is increasing day by day and with in next few days i think movement will get a momentum.
I think our judiciary of 3rd November should be restored otherwise there is no use of lifting emergency.
That is why i appreciate Nawaz Shari f's statement that if he gets power he will reinstate the judiciary.
I really appreciate your thought and yes SC can't do any thing outside the Constitution but according to constitution SC can rule out any amendment to constitution which is not in favor of people.
At the moment we are not heading to wards revolution, which is a faster way to clean up the mess and as we are not heading to wards revolution so we need to make things better step by step.
Independent judiciary is and should be the first step and we should feel proud that we almost got that and inshah Allah we will get it again.
 
 Reply:   it is a nice experience to see
Replied by(rehan) Replied on (23/Nov/2007)
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Assalam-o-Alaikum everyone,
 
it is a nice experience to see a bunch of people still concerned about political situation because for many of us, emergency issue has died out.
 
it seems to me that a great deal of thought should be employed in this matter. for example, lifting of emergency and conduction of election is not a remedy but a mere continuation of a 'praetorian democracy'...or a dummy democracy. since independence, military and bureaucracy has been ruling us as an executive and the rest of the two pillars of state,namel legislative and judiciary, are mere subordinates in a hierarchichal structured headed by the excutive.
 
this whole system needs to be changed.the powers of the executive should be curtailed.moreover, it is high time that our intelligencia steps forward,becomes part of the legislature and guides the nation in a rational way.....i say we have had enough with the flabby generals and their stooges in the assemblies.
 
role of judiciary is just to ensure the supremacy of the law passed by assemblies.when the assemblies have always been under the siege of executives, how can judiciary stand against the executive because the constitutional framework reinforces executive powers in the name of the state....its time to fufill the dream of our independence that needs completion since 1947.
INQUILAB ZINDABAD

 
 Reply:   this is the matter of my relig
Replied by(Noman) Replied on (23/Nov/2007)
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AOA

first of all my name is noman not mamon ;)

secondly in your mail, you have only debated o one thing as you yourself knew that Musharraf's regime has done only one thing and that is economy.

How he raised the economy all economist except those standing beside him, can explain better.

Money was following from all sides because he was ready to kill and betray Muslims and Pakistan.

All loans were rescheduled, so next coming governments will actually paying those.

He sold many valuable assets.

Our loan burden has been doubled.

Even though if i accept that he has make economy better then why the hell poor in this country increasing day by day...?

 

You dont had answers of any of my allegations, as every one who is standing beside Musharraf knows, i am right and you dont have any answer.

and now lets get back to your mail, what an excellent example you gave ...

 
OK. Mamoon. you tell me if you are traveling on motorbike with your friend,
while you driving and it hits the green belt. Will you be saving to yourself
first or to your friend ???

Similarly, if you are a president and you have two choice left one is to
save someone else ass or save your country. Which option will you go for ?

first of all, how have you combined your example with the next statement, i think only you knows that, as i cant see anything common in between them, but your example is very right.

Musharraf was a driver and green belt was Pakistan and his friend was America.

He choose to save his ass first by declaring the Martial Law, his friend was not in any danger, as he is behind him, and Pakistan... who cares.

 

you haven't give answer to my one question, will you prefer a life  of prostitute with pocket full of currency or a life of pious with empty pocket.

and yes i am over acting, over reacting and over exaggerating, because this is the matter of my religion, my country and of my  identity.

May Allah gives you enough wisdom to see the truth and to follow the right path.

regards

Allah Hafiz

Noman


 
 Reply:   Mamon zafar looks like over-ac
Replied by(sajjad_Ahmed) Replied on (23/Nov/2007)
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Salam

Mamon zafar looks like over-acting over the issue. As per myself, This is
not the way to talking or commenting over the issue. The proof is always
needed. But this is the court's requirements, ppl decide over the basis of
probabilities.

Ok. Mamoon. you tell me if you are travelling on motorbike with your friend,
while you driving and it hits the green belt. Will you be saving to yourself
first or to your friend ???

Similarly, if you are a president and you have two choice left one is to
save someone else ass or save your country. Which option will you go for ?

As far as economy is concern. It was always like this. At least, he had
maintained the economic growth rate. Isn't it. What the others did. Benezir
claimed on completion of his 2 years of first government that we had
eliminated 50% load shedding in first 2 years and will eliminate remaining
50% in next 2 years. Did someone had ever asked her how it had been done ???
And Nawaz and his allies... They arrest hubco director first gave negative
impression in stock market so ppl start selling and his allies were the
buyers. and when they buy enough shares. They released him and start talking
with the hubco group and thus able to sell their shares and high price.
Through out their period. They continue this game. Check the newspaper of
his period.

So instead. blaming and criticising someone this way. Better concentrate
only on consequences. That is much better idea. So ppl could educated. That
will make such ppl job difficult.

This way you are only spreading hate and doing nothing.

Thanks.

Saj

 
 Reply:   If every institution starts b
Replied by(Pervaiz) Replied on (23/Nov/2007)

Dear Noman

I must appreciate u for ur time being devoted to this noble cause. We are a Nation of dead people but such things can atleast create awareness. May God bless u to remain on this path

I think there must be a system governed by law and everyone should follow. No one should be above the law.

Army is just one institution like many others. If every institution starts behaving like this then one day the remaining Pakistan will further be divided in to many mini bangladeshs
 
 Reply:   Thats Reality
Replied by(dubai2home) Replied on (22/Nov/2007)

Very Right, thats reality what you explain.
i think with out pakistan parliment members, each and every pakistani is agree with you.

 
 Reply:   who asked u all question?scri
Replied by(sacha_pakistani) Replied on (22/Nov/2007)

yaar phir chawal mar dee bila wajah mae, who asked you all this ? jao dawai khao warna phir dora parega aur haan QAZI kee election kee tayari karo, phir election lar raha hae woh bhee emergency mae, kitna nichlay darjay ka insaan hae yeh QAZI.... qabar mae pair latkai khara hae aur harkatay dekho prostitutes wali.
 
 Reply:   Musharraf's real emergency ord
Replied by(Ateeq) Replied on (22/Nov/2007)


 
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