A OA
Dear Nauman (with due respect...not noman it is no-man 'u' is for ain.... if would like),
I would like to answer your statments very precisely so that our communication and frequencies
should be same.
YOU WROTE: Yousaf, in Ayaat posted, it is clearly understandable that they are about deads not about gumraah people.
I WRITE: Read farefully, I did not state that these Ayaats are about "gumraah people". Again I revise, these Ayaats are not about deads, they are about "kafir". Allah subahanatalah has labeled the "kafir" as "murda" and "Momun" as "Zinda". Also labeled the kafir and Momen as one who can see and other who is blind respectively. So these Ayats are not inclusinvely for "deads" and these are very clearly understandable. Read the complete "Surah Fatir" with understanding, you will come to know what is its purpose, context and logic of these Ayat and to whom the Allah subahanatalah is talking about.
(See attached Img#1 from your convenience)
(Also see attached Img#2 from the tafseer of IBNeKASEER, I afraid, you will not agree with any other tafseer except this tafseer [ref. Para 22 Page # 750])
YOU WROTE: Murday can listen, but the meaning of lisen in ayaat i posted are difeernt then the listen to ahadith you posted.
I WRITE
Look at the title of your Ayats in first image where a 4-yrs school going child can read "murdey sun nahin sukte". Now you are asking "Murday can listen". So what's meaning u r talking about? Actually there are two things in your posting which are required to be addressed and eloborated correctly.
1. murde sun nahin sukte 2. visiting the graves and pray
I am discussing only the first one at the moment to focus the one thing at one time. So ahadith I posted with 1st reply is the precise answer of first one.
YOU WROTE: In ayaat the listening mean, listening and helping, in ahaadith you posed, listening mean listening. now i will try to elobarate listening by one example.
when u talk to six month old baby, he listen to u but cant help u or do as desired, but when u talk to an adult he can try to do, what is desired.
so if we go to graves and ask them to help us they wont, as help can be done by Allah only.
I WRITE:
This is the second thing which will be discussed when the conclusion on first one is reached but for the time being I would like to add; you are talking about "Tawassal". It is the only almighty Allah to whom we worship, pray and the most beneficial for us.
YOUR WROTE: May Allah gives us guidance,
I WRITE: AMEEEN!!
YOUR WROTE: we should go to graves but for Istifghaar only.
I WRITE: Agree upto istighfaar.
Rest Allah knows well.
I WRITE: Allah subahanatalah has said in "Quran" :
I have made easy the Quran for understanding, is anybody there to think and understand it.
Allah hafiz and take care yourself with family,relatives and friends
AOA
Dear Yousaf
Yousaf, in Ayaat posted, it is clearly understandable that they are about deads not about gumraah people.
Murday can listen, but the meaning of lisen in ayaat i posted are difeernt then the listen to ahadith you posted.
In ayaat the listening mean, listening and helping, in ahaadith you posed, listening mean listening.
now i will try to elobarate listening by one example.
when u talk to six month old baby, he listen to u but cant help u or do as desired, but when u talk to an adult he can try to do, what is desired.
so if we go to graves and ask them to help us they wont, as help can be done by Allah only.
May Allah gives us guidance,
we should go to graves but for Istifghaar only.
Rest Allah knows well.
Allah hafiz
Reply:
please try to understand the t
Replied by(
Yousaf)
Replied on (2/Oct/2007)
AoA Saadi Bhai,
Main aap ki baat say 100% iteefaq karta hoon key "Musalmanon key liey Bad Gumani bara gunnaah hey". Magar jo kisi ko gumrah karay us key barey main kiya khiyaal hay. Islami talimaat ka mafhoom badal kar kisi ko Shirk and Bidaat ka murtakib qaraar deena assan aur fitna hay, Yeh islaah nahin.
Yeh fitnay sirf pichlay 200 saloon say masroof-e-amal hain aur logoon ko gumrah kar rahe hain. Hamary aksar bhai iss chakar main aa jatain hain.
Saddi Bhai, main ziyadaa tafseel main nahin jaoon gha mujhay sirf itna butla dain ke kiya Quran aur Ahdees main kahin takrao hay (Naoozbillah, Astagfarullah
Jo qurani ayaat aap ne attach ki hain woh kafroon key baray main hain.
Agar un ayaat ka mutlub jo aap keh rahain hain key musalmanon key barey main hain to yeh ahdees key saath seedha seedha takrao hay.
Aap ko abhi boohat ilm ki zaroorat hay aur main ney abhi sirf do ahadees attach ki hain.
Shirk, Biddat aur baat katham ke jo alfaaz aap nay apnay jawab main likhain hain, yeh ishara kurtain hain ke aap sooch main aitedaal ki jaga inteha hain.
Allah Hum Sub Ko Deen ko Sahih sumujey ki tofeeq dey
(Aamin).
Allah Hafiz,
Reply:
Sorry mate, you didn't look ke
Replied by(
Noman)
Replied on (24/Sep/2007)
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Dear Saadi
i am the one who post the images and i am the one who post the reply as well.
just to keep every thing balanced, i post the pics because they are very sacred places but the same time i post the reply regarding graves, so no one going to mis judge me and should be aware that these graves only graves and one should go there just to offer fatiha not for anything else.
i hope now i have cleared your doubts regarding my beliefs and opinion
Reply:
Astaghfirullah!script src=htt
Replied by(
saadi92a)
Replied on (24/Sep/2007)
Mr. Noman ko foran Shirk ka pehloo nazar aaya!
Musalmanon key liey Bad Gumani bhee Bara gunnaah hey, magar in Shirk and Bidaat ki mala japney walon ko kuch nazar naheen aata siwaeyshirk aur bidat key. Mera khayal hey ab to in logoN ko kuch aur soojhta bhee naheen.
Yar Tasweerein Muqaddas bandon kee hein dekho aur un ki aur apni maghfirat ki dua karo...baat khatam...
Reply:
Kiya Murday Sun Suktay hein? (
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Noman)
Replied on (23/Sep/2007)