2 wrongs do not make a right.
But without going into further debate, can we please stop the killings... Are your people 100% sure that the people against whom they are firing are guilty? Quran says that even the death of one innocent is a burden on humanity (or words to that effect)...so I beg you to please pass this message to your decision makers that these killings will never solve the problem. Whether you kill army men, policemen, ANP men, Haqiqi men or your own party,men who have developed differences with godfather (of MQM)...Please let ANP contest elections fairly, let haqiqi men contest elections fairly. By killing them you are doing the same as was allegedly done to your people.
P.S. Rape is the worst sin that anyone can commit and it has to be condemned in all forms. It is also the easiest of ploy to recruit young men. Please visit some rangers unit for one day and see the level of discipline. You will notice that at times the soldiers and staff are treated like robots...not even human. The level of discipline in armed forces and para-militaries are exemplary and no soldier can violate discipline on such a large scale as alleged by you. There could be isolated cases of indiscipline which are there in every organization including yours, but the scale at which you are blaming the rangers is a pure conjecture. Its just like mujeeb came up with hypothetical figure of millions of bengalis killed by army, which translates into about 3000 per day...such propaganda is often used by politicians to recruit more fighters...but please, lets draw a line and start decent politics...I beg you. PLEASE ASK YOUR LEADERSHIP TO BANISH ALL DEATH SQUADS, and deposit all arms with government and have a democratic ballot fight with haqiqi, anp, JI etc...
My sincere apologies if any of this offends you or any of your party men but I am requesting in all sincerety without any prejudice.
I am inserting my comments in Mr. Qazi below:
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D ear Mr. Turkman I never said that army was killing them for colelcting bhatta. but but your own argument you have accepted that 'they collect' bhatta.
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TURKMAN: I think, you do not know, every Mohajir, who could afford had paid money for formation of MQM. For Example, in Nazimabad, Karachi, all had paid Rs. 100. MQM didn't have to collect 'BHuTTa' at least from them and Mohajir Shop Keepers. I had heard stories that people, who were later used to create MQM H and were backed by Pak Establishment used to extort money from Businesses and that's why they were kicked out of MQM. So, I accept, some bad MQM people had really extorted money or collected 'BhuTTa'.
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you had also accepted in your communications at another forum that 'they' were involved in killing army personnel and by 'their' own law of rising against the state law, 'they' were justified.
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TURKMAN: I think, they had only killed 3 Army Soldiers but 250 Policemen but what would you do if your Sister or Daughter was raped by Pak Rangers or Policemen in Plain Clothes in your own House besides getting looted? Would you say, "Oh because they are Representative of Pak Government and the Law of Pakistan, they did not commit any crime or Sin and I should welcome them next time too instead of showing my dis-approval of that violation of Pak Constitution and Islam" ...?
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I never said that muhajirs were persecuted.
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TURKMAN: Are not these words that I am copying and pasting here now, " ... how you helped prepare videos of persecution of Muhajirs that help you get donations for ..."...
? ... I forgot to ask you to prove, I got even a Penny of Donations for MQM ...! Why don't you do this please, ...!
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All I said that how you helped prepare those videos which depicted the message to the effect.
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TURKMAN: The only Cameramen I knew, were either a PTV Karachi one or the one, who shot Wedding of my Daughter. I still don't own a Video Camera. Please provide the readers an authentic evidence of what you wrote to prove that you are not lying ...!
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I did accept that quota system etc. were an indirect form of persecution but as soon as 'they' came to power, they extended it...so much for 'their' argument for persecution. Yes, saying truth is no crime; but taking lives of government functionaries for the simple argument of they being government functionaries is a CRIME and for this all those involved were taken to task and once they resisted with weapons and (in khajji ground battle) and other areas, they were killed in action. But this did not demand torture & killing of late lt.
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TURKMAN: Mohajir Youth had not started attacking any Law Enforcement because of Quota System or Discrimination. They had started after their homes were looted, their Daughters and Sisters were raped so, you are wrong.
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FaISAL who was on holiday in Karachi, such that there was no meat left on his leg from tow till thigh (yes I have seen his body) or for that matter kidnapping & torture of an electrician Shakeel and a Driver jehanzeb who were picked up from a cinema hall in Korangi and they were tortured such that their male parts were swollen and their knees were drilled into (yes I have seen their bodies)....where does it say inQuran to do that to forces of an islamic government?
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TURKMAN: Its not Islamic Government. Its Government run by people, who call themselves Moslims but act worse than people, who Allah had called Kooffaar in Qoraan.
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if you want to follow Quran, follow in full, not just the part which suits you.
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TURKMAN: I agree with you. Character Building Basics of Islam like not lying, not cheating, not stealing, not robbing, not offering Bribes, not extorting Bribes, not coveting, not bearing false witness, not killing etc are not being followed only Mollaa-invented '5 Pillars of Islam' are being followed.
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What about the present spate of killings in Karachi? Why were azeem ahmed Tariq, haji Jalaal & Imran farooq silenced? does it say in Quraan to kill your own colleagues if they have a difference of opinion with you?
TURKMAN: Is hearing point of view of others against Islam? They are saying that Pak Army has caused over a thousand deaths in Karachi through Taliban.
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In any case, you seem to be having very strong vioews that the state of Pakistan carried out heinious crimes against people of certain ethnic origin so we can keep discussing it and never agree so lets leave it till day of judgement, but till that time, SPARE US THE SERMONS OF SERENITY PLEASE.
TURKMAN: Sure, sure. State of Pakistan had never killed anybody, when Baluchistan was invaded, in 1971 Military Operation against more than half of Pakistanis, in Operation against Mohajirs, in secret operations in Afghanistan and in 1996 invasion of Afghanistan.
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Reply:
No sir, I never said either
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nrqazi)
Replied on (30/Sep/2010)
Dear Mr. Turkman
I never said that army was killing them for colelcting bhatta. but but your own argument you have accepted that 'they collect' bhatta. you had also accepted in your communications at another forum that 'they' were involved in killing army personnel and by 'their' own law of rising against the state law, 'they' were justified. I never said that muhajirs were persecuted. All I said that how you helped prepare those videos which depicted the message to the effect. I did accept that quota system etc. were an indirect form of persecution but as soon as 'they ' came to power, they extended it...so much for 'their' argument for persecution.
Yes, saying truth is no crime; but takinglives of government functionaries for the simple argument of they being government functionaries is a CRIME and for this all those involved were taken to task and once they resisted with weapons and (in khajji ground battle) and other areas, they were killed in action. But this did not demand torture & killing of late lt. FaISAL who was on holiday in Karachi, such that there was no meat left on his leg from tow till thigh (yes I have seen his body)or for that matter kidnapping & torture of an electrician Shakeel and a Driver jehanzeb who were picked up from a cinema hall in Korangi and they were tortured such that their male parts were swollen and their knees were drilled into (yes I have seen their bodies)....where does it say inQuran to do that to forces of an islamic government? if you want to follow Quran, follow in full, not just the part which suits you. What about the present spate of killings in Karachi? Why were azeem ahmed Tariq, haji Jalaal & Imran farooq silenced? does it say in Quraan to kill your own colleagues if they have a difference of opinion with you? In any case, you seem to be having very strong vioews that the state of Pakistan carried out heinious crimes against people of certain ethnic origin so we can keep discussing it and never agree so lets leave it till day of judgement, but till that time, SPARE US THE SERMONS OF SERENITY PLEASE.
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Turkman is Ex Moslim-Are you same Turkman
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STurkman)
Replied on (30/Sep/2010)
What should we call people like M/s. Rasool and Qazi, who are practicing Savage pre-Islamic Culture of killing the Messengers if they don't like the message?
Everybody knows, USA does not give out Green Cards if a Moslim converts to Christianity so, this is a lie and this gentleman will have to pay for not only commiting Sin of lying but spreading his lie also.
About Allegation of working for any Agency all I have to say is, may Allah take my life right away if I am. Qazi had come up with a lie that I shot Videos of Mohajir Persecutions so, at least he admits they were persecuted but still since I never did that. He is lying just like all of us do thinking, its not really a Sin, when its actually a Basic Sin.
This man says I wrote against Army for killing 'BHuttaa' Collecting people. So, he at least admits that Army killed them. Police collects BHuttaa everwhere in Pakistan. When is Army going to start killing Police?
Could he tell me, where does it say in Qoraan or HaDees that punishment for collecting 'BHuTTa' is Death?
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Turkman is ex Muslim and has full time job to work against Pakistan
Everyone knows who is Turkman, agencies are using him to sabatge makepakistanbetter website.
He changed his faith and name for green card, use to work as cab driver but now he has been given full time job by agencies to defame Islam and Muslims. He is established Munafiq, if yo may like there are hundreds of comments about his personal life are available on web, but according to Islamic teachings I feel bad to expose his personal character.
He has been inducted by agencies to sabotage this website.
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Are u the same Turkman?
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nrqazi)
Replied on (29/Sep/2010)
Salam Turkman sahab. Are u the same turkman who used to write hate speech against pakistan armed forces and justified the killings & bhatta mafia culture of.....(u know whom)? & how you helped prepare videos of persecution of Muhajirs that help you get donations for....I must say your comments below are either a change of heart or is it your modus operandi of first gaining confidence of the forum and then... BTW I still have those mails saved that you wrote on another forum
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Haqqani blocked me from sharing info on Aafia
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turkman)
Replied on (28/Sep/2010)
WARNING: This is an Interview authored by Mr. Qureshi and sentences in it may not be McKinney's and I would prove it below if you like to read my comments below.
My other questions are, ...
1) What did she know that Pakistan does not?
She has not provided any proof of that Ambassador Haqqani.
2) Why should a crazy Anti USA woman, who is getting money from our JehaaDi Organizations in USA should be granted a Visa to further defame USA with her lies, when we are living off Charity of USA?
My rest of comments are inserted below in her article reproduced below.
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Cynthia McKinney: Haqqani Blocked Me From Sharing Info On Dr. Aafia With Pakistan Government
By AHMED QURAISHI
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—Former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney says she was coming to Pakistan with information to share with the Government that could have helped avert the sentencing of Dr. Aafia Siddiqui but she was stopped by the Pakistani embassy in Washington from proceeding to Pakistan.
TURKMAN: But why could she not provide this info to Aafia's Defense Team of Lawyers for last 2 years?
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This was Ms. McKinney’s first reaction to reports that Pakistan’s ambassador to Washington Mr. Husain Haqqani denied her visa to Pakistan. The information is part of a wider list of allegations against Mr. Haqqani on his role in the trial of Dr. Aafia.
Here’s my brief interview with her:
QURAISHI: What is your reaction to the sentencing of Dr. Aafia?
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MCKINNEY: What an incredible sentence for Dr. Aafia! What an incredible reflection of "justice" in the United States. The United States territory was stolen from indigenous people who were then eliminated by genocide.
TURKMAN: What the hell this centuries old stuff has to do with Dr. Aafia's case? Why is that being brought up unless she hates her country so bad or these are words of Quraishi, not hers?
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Africans were stolen from their homeland and transported to the U.S. and enslaved for centuries.
TURKMAN: Slavery was legal in those days. They were not stolen. They were purchased by Colonists from Arab Rulers of Africa north of Equator because Slavery is legal in Islam still since our Mollaas claim everything in Qoraan has to be followed till Eternity.
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Anyone who is surprised by incidents of injustice in the United States is someone who is not aware of U.S. history.
TURKMAN: Forget about centuries old History. What we see right now is, a son of Black African Moslim is President of USA and you are being treasonous to your own Race.
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I wanted to come to Pakistan to share new information with the Pakistani Government and public that might have prevented Dr. Aafia from receiving this 86-year sentence in the United States.
TURKMAN: This answer could not be given by an English Speaker like Mckinney because no American could use, "come" instead of "go" as it stands in above sentence. It means, its a fake interview authored by Mr. Qureshi. Now my other question is, what stopped her from giving that info to Pak Ambassador or Aafia's Lawyers? How does she qualify to give such a Legal Advice?
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QURAISHI: Pakistani ambassador Husain Haqqani has declined to grant you a visa to Pakistan. British journalist Yvonne Ridley has reminded him in her latest column of how he'd been issuing visas to Blackwater and other DoD private security contractors over the past 2 years. What is your reaction to you being denied a visa to visit Pakistan? What did you plan to do in Pakistan?
TURKMAN: There is no company in this world called Blackwater. There is a company called XE that people think, that is a new name for it. There have been no American Mercenaries that have been granted Visas by Haqqani. Yvonne is lying because she works for ISI and proof of that are Awards that she has gotten from ISI-backed Pakistani organizations and Taliban.
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MCKINNEY: I was both shocked and saddened by Ambassador Haqqani's decision to deny my visa request. I love the Pakistani people who have opened their hearts to me over the years.
TURKMAN: She is talking about Pakistani Religious Extremists and backers of crazy JehaaDi Sneak Attack Terrorists in USA, not us the Moderate Pakistanis. We hate her guts.
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Pakistani-Americans are counted among my dearest friends and supporters. So to be denied the opportunity to visit Pakistan was extremely heart-wrenching for me.
TURKMAN: We are sorry too that she can not go to Pakistan on a trip fully paid by Pakistani JehaaDis in USA to get more money from ISI.
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I have read with great interest that people whose intentions are to do Pakistan harm have been granted visas by the Pakistani Embassy in the United States; I contrast that situation with what happened to me. I do not hold Pakistanis responsible for this disappointment and I do hope that in the future, the Pakistani government will overrule the decision of Ambassador Haqqani. My heart remains full of warmth for Pakistanis and I will continue to press the citizens of the United States to vote for peace candidates who will implement policies of peace, both for Pakistan and the United States and for all countries around the world.
TURKMAN: But thanks, USA and Pakistan does not need help of a former politician rejected by her own Black African Americans.