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"Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong; they are the ones to attain felicity".
(surah Al-Imran,ayat-104)
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I do not want anyone to take any one's rights and firmly believe that we should give people what they need.
I do not want to go in details of what these bugti,murre and mangal did to balochistan, how bugti's come to power under Bhutto's regime and vice versa.

u know why "murtid ki saza mout hay", becaue he is more harmful to the religion then a non-mulsim.

same is the case here

if balochi can find their good representitive then infact they dont need to shout or even dont need to say loudly for their rights.

they will get every thing on their door step

but they are also facing the same problem which all other paksitani's are having

what you think,tell me, what people have in Punjab which they(balochi) do not have in balochistan, i am talking about common people.


Punjab is not the name of lahore.

Bhawalpur dgkhan and cholistan all come in Punjab

u know what is happening , as in india and pakistan match if the umpire is pakistani then all benefits will be on indian side, as pakistani umpire will try to be more neutral and loss will be on pakistani side

but the main idea here is this, all Pakistan is suffering of one common reason and that is,we donot have a single , genuine leader

who can represent the whole country and that is the root cause of all this ,wht is happening

the issue is not with balochistan or sindh, the issue is we donot have a common leader,we do have one leader which represent only karachi,hayderabad, and only concern for tht(in reality they are only concerned with themselves) like MQM, the next(PPP) is for remaining sindh except those who have rigidness towards Islam (MMA), third is for urban punjab (PML), fourth is for rural punjab (PPP),sixth is for half sarhad (MMA),seventh is for remaining half (ANP) and so on

so in this kind of "NATIONAL Politics" what you think, what we can get

there is only one item which these dirty politicians can sell and are seliing that is put blame on others.


they never tell people what they have done for them, they are only telling them what other are not doing for them

and here is what i (Pakistan) need,

i just need a leader who can reprsent whole country.

i do not want traders.
i do not want this, "either u r with us, or u r our enemy" ,politics
i want fair poliics
 Reply:   I fear that Brig. Khalid might
Replied by(webmaster) Replied on (6/Oct/2006)
I fear that Brig. Khalid might be still enjoying the loot of the Pakistan military. (P. Joseph Raju aa5756@wayne.edu)
Dear ones:



I fear that Brig. Khalid might be still enjoying the loot of the Pakistan military. It is very sad that he still don’t have a true perspective of the Pakistan history

Nor the needs of the average people. For years the military is exploiting the country and enjoying every bit of it while common man is turning in to hopeless and even to lawlessness. Brig. Khalid must be honest enough to admit that Pakistan military blundered in East Pakistan and they are absolutely responsible for the debacle there.

Even now the military is running the country. Common man is victimized and enslaved. India is not the problem. Blaming India is a cope out and the standard practice of the military to keep the power in their hands. The sooner Brig. Khalid understands this, the better it is for Pakistan .



Sincerely,
P. Joseph Raju
 
 Reply:   Your letter is that of a conce
Replied by(Ghost) Replied on (2/Oct/2006)
In Pakistan we believe several things that are factually untrue or utterly illogical. We hold beliefs that remain in circulation without scrutiny or evidence and over time become..(derhalmal
My dear Faryal,

 

ASA. Your letter is that of a concerned Pakistani and deserves a detailed reply.

 

In Pakistan we believe several things that are factually untrue or utterly illogical. We hold beliefs that remain in circulation without scrutiny or evidence and over time become a part of conventional wisdom. But these are untruths, half truths or the propaganda of foreign enemies or anti-state elements within Pakistan . The phenomenon that: "˜Half truths are like half bricks; one can throw them farther', operates in Pakistan with abandon. The result is that we Pakistanis disown our credits and eagerly embrace all discredits. Your letter contains several points that are a part of "˜conventional wisdom' that started life as subversive propaganda. Let me explain.

 

  1. In East Pakistan we were faced with a political insurrection that started as the "˜language' problem but continued even after Bengali was recognised as a national language. We did not understand or acknowledge that it was the beginning of the onslaught of ethnic nationalism that undermined the very basis of Pakistan "“ the Two Nation Theory. The East Pakistanis had suffered at the hands of the Hindus much more than the West Pakistanis. If ethnic nationalism could be embraced by them, there was no other area that was safe from its subversive influence. The Muslim League "“ the custodian of the Two Nation Theory - was split and weakened by intrigue. There was no effective custodian of the polity of Pakistan , which gave the military under General Ayub Khan to step in. He gave the country a new Constitution and Pakistan enjoyed a long period of stability and prosperity. But he had to resign in the face widespread agitation when he tried to amend the Constitution to secure a third term as President.

2.The political classes were sidelined for too long and were angry and restless. Educated in the school of "˜dushmanati siyasat' in their local constituencies they were attracted by the slogan of "˜provincial autonomy' and "˜opposition to military rule'. The ethnic nationalists capitalised on this mass conversion to their ideas and began to dominate the national political scene. In East Pakistan , the Awami League won a landslide victory and the NAP won big in NWFP and Balochistan. India had recruited Sheikh Mujib to its cause and provided funds to him generously that helped him win. We knew all the details of his treachery but Ayub Khan had been in power too long and the people were more eager to get him out rather than deal with traitors. The rest is history. India invaded East Pakistan that had suffered months of physical isolation and insurrection. The defeat in East Pakistan came as relief also in West Pakistan . The public thought it was "˜good riddance' and that opinion has not changed.

 

  1. Pakistan was fortunate that a new party - the PPP under Zulfikar Ali Bhutto "“ had emerged as the flag bearer of the polity of Pakistan . It won in Sindh and the Punjab . He had problems with NAP rule in the NWFP and Balochistan but he was able to deal with them. We thought we had left all our problems behind. But Late ZAB appeared to have a secular agenda. That gave the religious parties a chance to walk into the space left vacant by the decline of the Muslim League. They were able to start a strong agitation against Bhutto rule founded on the accusation that the 1977 Elections had been rigged. Even though Prime Minister Bhutto agreed to hold fresh elections, the agitation did not stop. It gave General Zia ul Haq  the opportunity to rule for 11 long years without ever getting legitimacy that he craved for. He ruled by "˜danda' while trying to resurrect the Muslim League as a vehicle for gaining legitimacy. In his eagerness to undermine the power base of the PPP in Sindh, he created the Frankenstein' s monster in the shape of urban based ethnic chauvinist party "“ the MQM. Ultimately, the USA had got tired of him and we know the rest.

  1. Benazir was the inheritor of the Bhutto legacy but she could not deal either with "˜uncles' or satisfy the rowdy "˜workers' with high hopes. More important, the remnants of Zia regime "“ Nawaz Sharif and his ilk "“ literally and criminally denied her rule over the Punjab . The Muslim League that General Zia had resurrected came to acquire the "˜danda' power (aka street power) under Nawaz Sharif that was previously the hallmark of the PPP. Since both the PML and the PPP were well equipped with such power, fortune smiled on the leader who had the support of the Army Chief, or America or both. Benazir has admitted that she had the support of the Army on both occasions she became the Prime Minister. Nawaz Sharif is a creation of General Zia who came to power with direct military help to the extent that the ISI created the IJI for him when he was too inept to make an alliance himself.

  1. The ineptitude of Nawaz Sharif was monumental. He felt comfortable only his "˜own man' in every important office of the state. He had his brother as the Chief Minister of the Punjab and his accountant as the Finance Minister. He even replaced President Farooq Leghari (whose dismissal of Benazir paved the way for his appointment as PM for the second time) with his lawyer as the President of Pakistan . He was ever nervous about the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and the COAS not being "˜his' men. He went to the extent of the Supreme Court being attacked by his party men and succeeded in removing the CJ from office. He got General Karamat to resign as COAS as he was not ready to put up with interference in appointments in the Army. Then he met his nemesis in General Musharraf who finally ended the "˜glorious decade' of democratic rule by NS and BB.

I have given my view of the history of Pakistan because this is unbiased mainstream view which is at variance with conventional wisdom, which once again, is that all our problems are due to military rule or the denial of provincial autonomy. But there is no Zulfikar Ali Bhutto on the scene to save us from the consequences of this warped conventional wisdom. I was a DS in the Staff College at Quetta in 1971 when the drama of East Pakistan was being enacted. The state of Pakistan acted like a blunderbuss; no one knew what to do. What I understood at that time in service, I am trying to do in my retirement. I will share with you my anxieties and the thrust of my efforts:

 

  1. India has an aim - Akhand Bharat "“ which is almost its polity as well. India is not one nation; it is and has always been many nations and would find peace within and without only after it gives its several peoples their right of self-determination. Until it is willing to do that, all the neighbours of India would remain in danger and under pressure because it must put the blame on outside forces for the several freedom movements going on in India .

  1. Another of our neighbours - Afghanistan - is also like that. Even in its most desperate and dire situation it courts hostility with Pakistan because it cannot face the fact that its polity "“ its principle of national solidarity "“ is the same as that of Pakistan "“ Islam.

  1. No country can be occupied for long unless there is at least one organised minority willing to collaborate with the enemy. To achieve their aims, India as well as Afghanistan has to obtain the collaboration of at least one ethnic (or sectarian) minority. To obtain some legitimacy for their collaborators they have to invent (and propagate) an agenda "“ often denial of rights, or jobs, or representation or autonomy even after all those "˜problems' have been addressed to the satisfaction of the majority. That is surely the case in Balochistan.

  1. It is vital for Pakistan to flourish that it maintained its internal unity and harmony. That can be done by submitting to the demands of our polity and resisting demands that undermine the polity or unity of our country.

  1. Since Islam has a universal dimension, to be true to our polity we must stand up and be counted whenever any part of the Muslim Ummah is suffering inequity and injustice - invasion or occupation.

  1. I am glad that General Musharraf made the right choice when faced with insurrection in Waziristan and Balochistan. He decided to make peace in Waziristan and liquidate the insurrection in Balochistan. That was the implication of our polity. He did right. We must all support him.

  1. The lesson to be learnt from East Pakistan is not that we used too much force. The lesson is that we were not able to mobilise the strength of our polity "“ the forces of its logic and its military in unison - to confront the collaborators. We are doing the right things today but we are not explaining well enough, why?

Sincerely

Brigadier (R) Usman Khalid
Director London Institute of South Asia

www.lisauk.com


 
 Reply:   Message from Faryal Virk on Ak
Replied by(Ghost) Replied on (2/Oct/2006)
I received a forwarded email that had your response to the South Asia Partnership' s statement of solidarity regarding the death of Akbar Bugti.
Dear Brigadier Khalid



I received a forwarded email that had your response to the South Asia Partnership' s statement of solidarity regarding the death of Akbar Bugti. While I appreciate your perspective on the US 'plan' for redrawing boundaries in South Asia and the Middle East, I feel compelled to take issue with you on a few things:



1 - I agree with you that Akbar Bugti was not fighting so much for his people as for his own personal gain. However, whatever his agenda, can you justify the method of his removal? Military action does not work - we saw it with East Pakistan and then with the Balochis in Bhutto's time. Now that Gen Musharraf has completed his threat of 'you can run but you cannot hide' made a couple of years ago, do you seriously imagine that the underlying issues will be resolved?



2 - The marginalisation of the Balochi people is a fact, and over the years, the Pakistani government has done little to help the province, or rectify the issue pertaining to gas royalties from Sui. While one can argue that the government has done little for anyone in Pakistan over the last forty years, one cannot turn a blind eye to the Balochistan situation. But we do just that, allowing the Bugtis and Marris and other feudals in the region to take advantage for their personal gain.



3 - How does the removal of Akbar Bugti reduce or eliminate the grand plan for redrawing regional boundaries? Seems to me that it facilitates this scheme. If the military government of Pakistan establishes 'stability' in Balochistan, it provides a staging post for activities leading to the destabilisation of Iran, and enables the strategy desired by the US.



4 - Your message to the South Asia Partnership suggested that they are a subversive set-up. I have no affiliation with them whatsoever, but Pakistan and it's future is extremely dear to me, as I believe it is for you. I do not, however, believe that the _expression of opinion weakens Pakistan in the long term. We cannot be blind to the fact that our country has almost no real government, the judiciary is a shambles, and the economy is propped up by unsustainable methods. Furthermore, we have a military that can do whatever it pleases in the civilian sector. Recent cases in point (note, these are in Punjab) include land appropriation in Okara (military farms) and Sheikhupura (country club and Mercedes plant) as well as housing/plots for army officers etc. As long as the state is weak, a government purporting to act on behalf of the people will do things that threaten our long term survival and will allow the dismemberment of the country. Therefore, to my mind, the _expression of opinions, however diverse, may be good for the country if used a tool to oppose the subversive actions of governments.



I would not have written this email to someone else, but I had to respond because I couldn't agree with you, yet I generally like what you say on other issues. I very strongly believe that people like you can bring issues into the public domain, and provide the thought provoking analyses and opinions that might generate the momentum necessary to revive the collective conscience of the Pakistani people and government, for which I thank you.
Faryal Virk North Carolina, USA
 
 Reply:   i agree partiallyscript src=h
Replied by(Noman) Replied on (8/Sep/2006)

i agree partially with u, next should be Altaf hussain.
but i dont agree the reason is right for Musharef's killing of bugti, as u cant expect anything good for Pakistan from him, but there is chance tht his personal bebefits give benefits to Paksitan, and thts why this is the only decision by him in these many years which i think is right, but why i have doubt upon his personality coz other such persons are free for doing anything because they are sitting beside him, and bugti is dead coz he didnt accept his terms and didnt accept the army man's rape incident of baluchi girl, he is dead a good thing, but why others like Altaf hussain ANP leaders and thers are still alive
 
 Reply:   Arif Khan//sh
Replied by(Noman) Replied on (6/Sep/2006)

The terrorist attacks in Baluchstan have been going on
for years and even MMA leaders had indicated that
it was on the instance of foreign agents of enemies
of Pakistan (RAW plus Mosad).

Now President Musharraf has also said that the
possibility of foreign hand cannot be ruled
out.

According to the Government of Baluchistan the
terrorists trained in Bugti's camps used to attack
gas piple line, power poles, army vehicles patrolling
the ara etc. So it was not a wrong battle. This action
must have been taken much earlier and Sardari sytem
system should have been abolished years ago.
Arif
 
 Reply:   mnaquvi@yahoo.comscript src=h
Replied by(Noman) Replied on (6/Sep/2006)

The unfortunate result of all this is that on the one hand Bugtis has become an undesrved hero for Balochistan and on the other hand the original problem is still there, in fact it has become worse.

Musharraf government has blundered here miserably.

The authorities should have been much more tactful in the situation. If the problem is that there are foreign hands involved in the insurgency then the Army should be patroling the border areas to stop the infiltration of foreign agents instead of fighting our own people internally.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Syed-Mohsin Naquvi
 
 Reply:   Musharraf is right!!script sr
Replied by(youaskedforit) Replied on (6/Sep/2006)

There are many proofs that bugti was playing in the hands of India, USA & Afghanistan
Balochistan is rich in minerals & natural resources with Gawadar in the making this Province is like a golden bird for other countries....... & how can india see Pakistan's progress, .. India broke Pakistan & made Bangladesh , he is again trying the same thing, he saw an opportunity in the face of bugti & they began to proved him with money & arms..... a little proof is the propaganda on the indian channels on the killing of Bugti as if india's own leader has been killed & the resolution passed in the Afghanistans parliament protesting bugti's killing... WHY, its Pakistan internal matter, what the hell is their problem to interfere in Pakistan? The answer is the same as i mentioned above.
Why bugti denied his own tribe to get higher educations, & to progress, he made them slaves so that they cannot raise their heads in front of him., if he is so patriotic, why i she bombing the gas pipelines, electricity towers, disturbing the gas & electricity supply of all the country, why is he killing the army., .................... remember Musharafs government is the only government who is doing so much for the progress of Balouchistan...constructing 5 star hotels, Port, beaches residential areas, roads, tourist spots, ... what was the reason none of the earlier governments did the same... Mr Bugti himself has been the cheif minister of Balouchistan,,, why not then he did anything for the progress of Balouchistan.... what rights he has to ask royality from pakistan government for gas fields... balouchistan is part of
pakistan & government has every rights to use the natural resources
without giving any individual person any royality. Balouchistan is
not bugti's property........Do u think it would be good if MQM's
Altaaf Hussain start asking the royality for karachi port, coz their
part is in majority there ??? how will u react to this ??

 
 Reply:   mamirtai@yahoo.comscript src=
Replied by(Ghost) Replied on (4/Sep/2006)
Few generals have made this army now a new tribe in our country and sardar name is MUSHARRAF
you are very rite. Few generals have made this army now a new tribe in our country and sardar name is MUSHARRAF. Like rapist of mukhtara mai were acquitted by a jirga same as his own jirga sitting made decisions to kill whoever pointing fingers to his tribesman (Captin Hammad) and fighting for the rite of a raped woman, and not even give dead body for feunral.

It's not pak army...it's Army's pakistan. all our precious land resources are being captured by army contonment and defence socities. major portion of budget is going towards defence budget (un-auditable) in service of their foundations. This tribe is only providing services to big boss. But u know big boss is also not happy with his performance so Sardar Musharraf is now "Na Ghar ka na ghat ka" .

But in these circumtances still ppl like Ahmed Faraz has a courage to return all rewards and medal given by this govt saying "I cannot accept this medal from a person who is killing my fellow countrymen" thousands salutes to this great poet.

Here is another great poet Habib Jalib says:

"Yeh tera pakistan he na mera pakistan he
Yeh uska pakistan he jo sadre pakistan he"

 
 Reply:   I agree//shyg
Replied by(Wajeeh) Replied on (30/Aug/2006)

yes i also agree tht we want a leader who is above all the difference who can unite the ppl of Pakistan who can really make Pakistan the best place to live infact who is a good muslim

About Bugtti i just wana say tht he had made enough damage to Balouchistan moreover he was the root cause in the under development of Balushistan

we need someone......
 
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